A response to “Which is Stronger, Manfluence or Godfluence?”
A recent pair of articles I ran across on another blogger’s site—Parallel Divergence—set me thinking about the question of God. Is there a God, or did man just make him up? Which God is the real one? Here are some thoughts I’ve gathered over the years.
To even ask the question about whether there is a God or not means that there is something or someONE beyond mankind and his tiny frame of existence. We can’t help but look at the stars and think that there must be more to life than the humdrum nature of things; the Hubble Telescope image serves to broaden, though not entirely delineate, the vastness of it all. And how many poems have been written on the subject of life’s fleeting nature and the desire to live forever? Shakespeare’s Sonnet 18, to quote just one of the many: (lines 11-14)
“Nor shall death brag thou wander’st in his shade,
When in eternal lines to time thou grow’st;
So long as men can breathe, or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this gives life to thee.”
To long for something outside ourselves and better than ourselves, to long for eternity, means that we humans, be we men or women, are not the end-all and be-all of everything. To live as though we are produces (and has produced since the beginning of time) nothing but misery and confusion. [Like another blogger said, “Manfluence” is responsible for the world’s heartache.] Then, when we are in the middle of the trouble and turmoil that humans have created, we shake our fists at “Heaven” and wonder how a good and loving God could allow something so horrible. Yet the very notion that God might have the right to interfere in our lives disturbs us. So basically, if there is a God, we want Him to interfere in everyone else’s lives, just not ours. And we only want Him to do the jobs that are too big for us to do on our own—like stop earthquakes and prevent attacks from rabid, man-eating lions. Maybe we need superheroes. But read any comic book today or look at the stories of the Greek gods and goddesses, and you see that superheroes have the same problems we do, just on a grander scale: they’re too human to help us with the things that really tear our world apart—“manfluence.” The gods and goddesses of Greek and Roman myth acted like overgrown humans, leaving mere mortals to suffer from their poor decisions.
It’s really our own human nature, our own selfishness, that tears our world apart, whether on a small scale—like the words we say to hurt those nearest and dearest to us—or on a grand scale—like the destruction wreaked by Hitler on the Jewish people. Therefore the “just-follow-your-heart” philosophy that sounds so good on the Disney channel does not work in real life. Many times, following our hearts leads to pain in our lives or in the lives of others. Believing in myself brings no hope at all; there has to be something bigger than me and better than me that makes sense of life and saves me from myself.
This hope is what makes the Bible so unique. It is different from all other sacred writings in four ways:
~ First, it was written by God through human mouthpieces: no one man can take credit for the things that its pages contain and no one man (besides Jesus, the God-man—God Himself Who became human, too, to show us what God is like up-close-and-personal) can take credit for it. The events it contains and the prophecies that were fulfilled over the thousands of years between its first book and its last book could not have been orchestrated by just one person, unless that person was powerful enough to control time and space without violating any man’s free will.
~ Second, the stories it tells do not paint people in the light that humans usually paint themselves: it tells of human failings and shortcomings—even the great heroes whose lives it chronicles did wrong things that hurt those around them and had far-reaching results. Humans tend to gloss over those things when they write. Only Jesus Christ is different because He is God and is not subject to human sins; He lived for 33 years on earth and never sinned. Even those who say He is not God cannot point a finger at Him for wrongdoing—even Islam looks to Him as a good man and a great prophet (though not as great as Mohammed).
~ Third, only the Bible offers a solution for humanity’s problems that is outside of man himself. All other religions either offer lists of rules to curb humanity’s baser passions or try to justify those baser passions by saying that they are acceptable no matter who they hurt. Neither way actually deals with the problem of “manfluence.” Only the Bible offers a solution that really works. Man-made religions exploit man for the use of other men; only God in the person of Jesus Christ gives unconditionally and totally.
~ Finally, the Bible is the only book that tells mankind how to have fellowship with the God that is big enough to create a universe that will stimulate our minds and make us wonder about things outside ourselves (We would not be content with a tiny universe any more than we are content with our tiny lives). Thousands of people have experienced the life-giving power that God offers through the gift of Himself. God does not just give us a list of rules to make us fit for Heaven; instead, He shows us how all of our attempts to be good enough fall short of our goal of reaching Him, and then He makes a way for us to reach Him by giving of Himself. He makes it easy enough for anyone, be they small or great, to contact Him and know Him. And He does the work for us that we cannot do—He makes us whole inside and makes our hearts new.
This is the message of the Bible; this is a hope that is not about man-made religion; this is bigger and more mind-boggling than the images from the Hubble Telescope, awesome though those images are. We will understand the mysteries of the universe much sooner than we will grasp the love of God. Just as the universe is bigger than the earth, God Himself is bigger than mankind’s imagination. In fact, He said as much: “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” Isaiah 55:9 We can’t be content with a God we can completely understand any more than we can be content with a universe painted on the ceiling. We don’t need a man-made God; we were made for more than that.

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October 10, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Charles E. Screwes
The fact (or truth) is God is Life, Life is God. It is that simple. Until humanity rises to the level of comprehension to understand this fundamental concept of Life, genocidal and every other horrible and evil act upon mankind will continue. In life and death, individuals are God’s brain cells. Remember that with each one buried.
Humanity invented the idea of “God,” initially. to explain that inner voice produced by thought; thinking. Humanity gave God life. God can be found in every nation upon this planet. Now it is our responsibility to attend to his welfare
The message has been delivered upon this media.
October 12, 2009 at 2:55 pm
joyousthirst
Charles, thank you for your response to this post–both thoughtful and thought-provoking. I have heard this view of God before, and it certainly seems like it would solve the problems of humanity if we could learn to look at each other as part of God. After all, who wants to harm oneself? Viewing ourselves as interconnected does seems like it would eventually weed out those nastier things we don’t like about ourselves.
But again we are left with humanity as the highest thing to reverence. And humanity at its best falls short of what we hunger for in our lives. Good people still make mistakes. Good people still hurt others. Good people still get hurt. When we are honest with ourselves, we see that we really long for the God of the Bible who is totally good through and through and is holy–completely “other” than His creation.
Only admitting these truths (the twin truths of Who He is and of what we really are compared with Him) can start us on the path to freedom and joy regardless of the circumstances around us. It’s only the start. But it IS the beginning. No other door opens onto the Answer to Life and Humanity’s problems. Jesus Christ put it this way–”I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man cometh unto the Father but by Me.”
October 19, 2009 at 5:38 am
Charles E. Screwes
It is refresing to know that there are other enlightened people on the planet. We are a tiny group. However, you seem to still have doubt. In time, that doubt will dissipate completely and you will become confident in the truth that We (humanity) are god. United and focused upon the real issues in the world, we can accomplish miracle resolutions.
It has taken me nearly 60 years to reach the level of confidence to liberate myself of the myth of “God.” Afterall, the myth was pounded into my head throughout childhood and most of my adulthood. It is a brainwashing that is hard to release.
To put “the fear of God” in one creates a huge deficiency in his/her mentality. The fragile mind labors much too hard to avoid offending this “omnipotent being” to focus upon life’s realities.
Consider, if there were an omnipotent being who loves us, would he/she allow so much suffering of the innocent? No, only unenlightened religous humans are capable of such dastardly conduct. Furthermore, the one God in his jealousy (from the Holy Bible) would never allow the worship of other gods i.e. Bhudda, Allah, Zeus, etc.
Since time immemorial, gods have played a starring role in the dominiom of the masses through scare tactics about the revenge of the gods.. Time has come for humanty to give up the myth of “God” and focus on the realities in life.
November 2, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Dana
I wholeheartedly agree with Charles that man created God in order to explain all those things which he does not, or cannot understand. I also think that smarter and greedier people took advantage of the naiveity of innocence and ignorance and dictated false answers to those unanswerable questions in order to have control. In our thirst for anwers, we have been duped! We have been led to believe falsities! How dare them try to rationalize myth!
I do see God every day however. I see (him/her/it) in the smile of a child or the falling of a leaf. I see God in the eyes of the wise and in the blossom of the rose. In my mind, all things come together as one to represent God. God is existence itself.
Unfortunately, in order to justfy mankind’s mad behaviour I also find myself leaning a bit toward Taoist philosophy which calls for all things in balance. Evil must be offset by good and happy must be offset by sad.
It is a cruel trick to play on folks to tell them that there is life after death. The only life after death is memories, accomplishments that have benefit, and children. Perhaps there is some energy that remains and is transformed in some way i.e. a soul. maybe we are re-incarnated! Unfortunately with my luck I will come back as a preacher
God bless you all whoever he may be!
November 17, 2009 at 2:45 pm
joyousthirst
wow, Charles! Your journey to the mindset you describe has been a long one! Thank you for sharing some of it in response to this post!
I am curious to know whether your liberation from the “God-myth” has freed you from the problems of humanity in your own life. Do you find yourself to be a truly merciful and loving god in your own realm of influence? Or do you still, when you look at yourself on the inside and examine your motives, find yourself to be selfish, proud, greedy, angry, lustful, or any of the other vices that plague humanity and enable us to make it a living hell for one another? I realize that’s a rather personal question, but this question is an important one in the discussion of “manfluence versus Godfluence.” Also, how do you determine whether your actions are right or wrong? Seems to me that, while freedom from the idea of a God to fear would bring no fear of reprisal from anyone higher than oneself, the problems created by such vices would still remain and would still affect the lives of those in both one’s immediate sphere of influence and in the broader sphere of all humanity since our actions ripple outward like the ripples on the surface of a pond.
November 17, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Harrison Beckmann
If man created God, then who gave Him the intelligent imagination to do so? I see no monkeys worshiping God.
November 17, 2009 at 2:55 pm
joyousthirst
Dana,
something you said about memories reminded me of a line from Mark Antony’s speech in JULIUS CAESAR by William Shakespeare:
“The evil that men do lives after them,
The good is oft interred with their bones,
So let it be with Caesar”
Is it not true that the evil memories of people often live longer than the good that they do? The effects of their actions certainly last far longer than their lives themselves.
Thank you for adding your thoughts to this conversation!
November 17, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Jason Wall
just wanted to point out that just because we can imagine something does not prove its existence. that we can think of God, or desire someething outside our selves, is not in itself proof of His existence.